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Classic 2CV Racing Club Ltd Forum => Technical => Topic started by: Trevor Williams on September 03, 2009, 14:19:05



Title: Toyo tyres
Post by: Trevor Williams on September 03, 2009, 14:19:05
Interested to know from those who tested these at Cadwell earlier in the year, were they buffed or were they run fully treaded?


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Paul Robertson on September 03, 2009, 15:20:25
fully treaded


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Trevor Williams on September 03, 2009, 15:42:38
Cheers Paul, that will save a bit of cash then!


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Frank Barnard on September 03, 2009, 21:54:26
If these are road-going (which I think is the case) I'd like four. Can you advise price and who to contact please?


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Paul Robertson on September 04, 2009, 10:31:56
They won't be available from the club for 10 -12 weeks at the earliest frank.But should be about 100 for four.


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Frank Barnard on September 04, 2009, 22:20:25
Many thanks Paul, I'll definitely take a set when they're available...


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Simon Crook on September 05, 2009, 07:25:12
Hi Paul

What size Toyo's are we using? 135/? x 15


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Lien93 on September 05, 2009, 15:00:46
I need to get two sets, one for me and one for Simon.


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Simon Crook on September 05, 2009, 16:12:53
Thanks Lien ;D


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Derek Coghill on September 07, 2009, 09:45:17
100 + vat for 4; Sean got some off a tyre company he met on the internet.


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: philip myatt on September 08, 2009, 07:45:12
The club are currently sorting out a bulk order directly with Toyo, let me know how many you would like, and if you want any of them buffed.
It's a 3 month delivery, so they will be with us early January.


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Lien93 on September 08, 2009, 17:43:02
What's the cost of them buffed?


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Frank Barnard on September 08, 2009, 21:44:11
Phil,
One set, unbuffed, order confirmed, thanks,
Frank


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: philip myatt on September 09, 2009, 07:36:30
The last lot we had buffed were 15 per tyre, but we are hoping to do a deal if we are having 120 done in a single batch.


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: philip myatt on September 09, 2009, 07:41:23
Derek - are you seriously considering buying them via a more expensive route.
We could make club supply mandatory, we will get larger discounts based on our final order size, if we are to order 3 or 4 hundred tyres we need everyone using them.


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: philip myatt on September 09, 2009, 07:53:02
Don't forget to allow for any spares that you may require, I would have thought that 6 would be a minimum requirement.
To avoid confusion I will assume 1 set = 4 tyres.


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Derek Coghill on September 09, 2009, 13:15:40
No, not at all. Sean needed some tyres for his road car and he bought some, that's all. Goes against all national stereotypes as well.


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Simon Crook on September 09, 2009, 17:23:03
Hi Phil

1 sets for me please (6 tyres) plus the ones from Lien all un-buffed, is that extra cost really needed!.

I know its early but, where will the tyre's be available from, just so I (we) can work out collection or delivery costs?


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Lien93 on September 09, 2009, 20:11:40
So that's 10 not buffed & 4 buffed please.


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Trevor Williams on September 10, 2009, 09:02:26
Can someone please give definitive advice as to whether these Toyo tyres need to be buffed or not? If they were tested at Cadwell un-buffed and were as good as the buffed Firestones, why bother with the expense?

If they don't, and I would prefer it if they didn't need itas it adds 50% to the cost of a set, can it be written into the regulations that buffing of the tyres is not allowed?

Cheers

Trevor


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Mary Lindsay on October 08, 2009, 13:03:35
Phil, I would like to order 2 sets (8 tyres) please.
Let me know when you want some money up front.
Thanks,
Mary


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Marc Fenner on October 08, 2009, 17:40:31
Whats the deal with firestone tyres then? I have 6 brand new buffed firestone tyres. There no good for the road so does this mean we have wasted 200+?


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: philip myatt on October 09, 2009, 07:43:25
For 2010 the Toyo 135 will be the control tyre, no other tyre will be permitted. These tyres are on order and will be available through the club in January, which will be in plenty of time for the first race.


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Andrew Bull on October 09, 2009, 09:15:29


"Whats the deal with firestone tyres then? I have 6 brand new buffed firestone tyres. There no good for the road so does this mean we have wasted 200+"

Why would the firestones not be any use on the road.  They are brand new and will have at least 3.5mm of tread depth on them???!!! 

Sell them as exactly that.  Theres absolutely no reason why they cannot be used on the road. Apart from if they are 145's and you dont want them on your car for gearing reasons.


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Marc Fenner on October 09, 2009, 13:06:33
Its just annoying that we have new tyres that have been shaven down and now are worth nothing.
Geoff archer offered 50 for them which just shows there worthless. I dont have a road 2cv at the moment so really there scrap.
In total we have 12 firestones and cant use them. Not happy! >:(
Can i run the tyres if we are not doing the championship?


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Trevor Williams on October 09, 2009, 15:08:42
Depends what's in the regulations for 2010. If the Firestones are allowed as a transition year then yes. If the Toyos are mandated, then no.
Simples!


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Paul Robertson on October 09, 2009, 16:58:59
 That'll be no then.There was plenty of discussion on here about the complete lack of tyres for the whole season,the high cost of the rubbish mexican firestones and the extortionate cost of the quicker michelins .We now have one tyre for all , they will be 1/4 the price of a michelin so if you sell your old firestones to geoff for 50 you will be able to buy 2 brand new toyo's or you could find someone with a beetle or camper and flog them to them.
I must have in excess of 20 145's of all makes and ages that are no longer any use for racing marc but 90+ each tyres favour those that can afford them.23 tyres favour all and if you can't afford 100 for a set of tyres that should last a season you can't afford to race.


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Paul Robertson on October 09, 2009, 17:05:08
Can someone please give definitive advice as to whether these Toyo tyres need to be buffed or not? If they were tested at Cadwell un-buffed and were as good as the buffed Firestones, why bother with the expense?

If they don't, and I would prefer it if they didn't need itas it adds 50% to the cost of a set, can it be written into the regulations that buffing of the tyres is not allowed?

Cheers

Trevor
I have no doubt they will be better buffed trev ,as all road tyres would seem to be.The ones we tested were not buffed and stood up very well to the test at cadwell.
I cannot see how you could police tyre depth though, if you were to find some part worns they would be legal and  possibly advantageous so buffing must be permitted.


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Trevor Williams on October 09, 2009, 17:48:26
Cheers Paul


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Sean on October 11, 2009, 19:53:09
if you were to find some part worns they would be legal and  possibly advantageous

Ha Ha ha see mr Coghills post at top of page tyres running in nicely ;)
Sean


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Marc Fenner on November 02, 2009, 19:26:26
I will need a set of tyres then by the looks of things please


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Trevor Williams on December 01, 2009, 11:05:36
The Toyo 310 tyres are in the 2010 Blue Book as approved for Motorsport.
Interestingly, the Michelins are not (though this is probably a printing error!!)


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Paul Robertson on December 01, 2009, 15:07:01
were they actually in last year then trev?


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Trevor Williams on December 01, 2009, 15:50:37
Paul
The Toyo 310 tyre is new in for 2010.
The Michelin seems to have grown by 20mm in width in the 2010 book and is now 165 SR15 XZX!!
That is not the only typo in the book, I can see some arguments over the safety car procedure!!!!
 ;D


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Derek Coghill on January 09, 2010, 18:06:53
Our countryside correspondent reports that the Toyos are good in the snow.


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Andrew Bull on January 10, 2010, 10:53:51
Anything thats not part worn is the way forward.  Very glad to have some brand new tyres on the front and the rears have only done 6 months!!   

I bet sales of winter tyres or mud & snows have gone through the roof.!


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Sean on January 11, 2010, 12:04:41
Our countryside correspondent reports that the Toyos are good in the snow.
Yup.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4054/4252142672_178ddca68d_m.jpg) have we had snow during the 24 hrs? sure we had hail one year?


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Matt Hollis on January 12, 2010, 11:08:14
As I assume this is still the thread for notifying of your need for tyres, I would like 6 (not buffed) please. Thanks!


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Trevor Williams on January 15, 2010, 14:49:47
Any news on when the tyres will be available?


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: philip myatt on January 15, 2010, 22:44:39
We should have them delivered on Tuesday.


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Trevor Williams on January 16, 2010, 19:46:23
Cheers Philip,


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: philip myatt on January 26, 2010, 16:55:34
The tyres are now in stock.

Until the first race at Cadwell they will be 27 each. After that they will increase to 30 each.

Please send payment by cheque (made out to Classic 2CV Racing Club) to

Philip Myatt
Daisy Bank
Blurton Road
Barlaston
Stoke on Trent
Staffs
ST12 9BA

They can be collected from Stoke or Wisbech, or delivered direct to your door at 4.50 per tyre with a minimum delivery charge of 9.00.
All tyres must be paid for in full before delivery or collection can be arranged.

Cheers

Philip



Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Trevor Williams on January 27, 2010, 19:28:09
What's the cost for buffing them Philip?


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Lien93 on January 28, 2010, 09:41:48
When will you be getting the buffed ones done?


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Trevor Williams on January 28, 2010, 12:34:09
According to an email I received from Philip, the club will not be getting any of the tyres buffed


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Mary Lindsay on January 28, 2010, 17:30:20
Demon Tweeks offer a tyre buffing/shaving service at 12 per tyre, not cheap but I have used them and it is reliable.

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/products/ProductDetail.asp?cls=MSPORT&pcode=TYRBUF


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Marc Fenner on February 01, 2010, 22:50:27
Are we still allowed to use the last of the firestones this season? From what i understand it was going to be a possibility?


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Paul Robertson on February 02, 2010, 09:02:45
No the agm voted against it.


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Mary Lindsay on February 18, 2010, 16:28:20
Hi Phil, my tyres arrived today, many thanks.
Mary


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: David Power on April 12, 2011, 15:56:26
Hi

We have been told that Toyo might become short supply due to the problems in Japan.

Has anyone heard anything and I wonder if stockpiling might be an option.

As a competitor who has not yet competed, where do we buy these from?


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Paul Robertson on April 12, 2011, 17:10:26
Philip Myatt sells everything on behalf of the club


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: philip myatt on April 13, 2011, 07:54:23
David, I think we have enough in stock to last the season. We ordered in October for this years requirement.
Let me know when you need some.


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Derek Coghill on August 22, 2011, 16:02:11
Would I be able to collect four tyres from Snetterton, were I to buy them?


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: gasklep on November 12, 2017, 08:38:55
I wonder what kind of tire pressures do you guys run them in the UK classic class?
You use a lot less steering input compared to us in the EU classic class based on what I see on onboard movies. Maybe higher tire pressures?



Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Chris Yates on November 12, 2017, 19:41:45
For our Toyo tyres, we generally run them between 34 and 40 psi. Previously we used Firestone tyres, and we ran them at around 26 psi.

I think some of our cars run a lot of negative camber, and the cars are quite low, which means we don't need much steering input.


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Sean on November 18, 2017, 08:45:29
I wonder what kind of tire pressures do you guys run them in the UK classic class?
You use a lot less steering input compared to us in the EU classic class based on what I see on onboard movies. Maybe higher tire pressures?


King pin inclination/correction after lowering


Title: Re: Toyo tyres
Post by: Ken on November 18, 2017, 16:24:46
Also, if an Ami 8 anti-roll bar has somhow found its way onto a 'Classic' Dyane, that will tend to increase a standard A-series Citroen's inbuilt tendency to understeer.    ;)  


I wonder what kind of tire pressures do you guys run them in the UK classic class?
You use a lot less steering input compared to us in the EU classic class based on what I see on onboard movies. Maybe higher tire pressures?


King pin inclination/correction after lowering