Everyone needs to be aware of a proposed change to the MSA regs regarding refueling (Q13.1.2) which is out for consultation (see Motorsports Now)
The proposed change reads as follows:
"A driver shall vacate.............Refuelling within the pitlane may only be carried out using either a churn of no more than 25 litres capacity with a self seal connection and closed loop breathing system or a refuelling rig in compliance with FIA requirements....."
Adds a significant one-off cost to the preparation of the cars as this means drt-break systems!!!!
Over to the Technical people
It's open to consultation, so not definite yet. I suggest that we involve ourselves in the consultation process!
Thanks for pointing it out, Trev; I hadn't got past ogling the car on the cover.....
I've changed the title of the thread, by request.
How does that work then? The whole title's changed....except for the bit that I changed!
As many may also testify...
For "Dry Break".......Read "Pisses out all over the place".
Usually bigger nozzles, and more plumbing to be problematic. Thus any slight error in application or removal, means higher volumes being spilt.
I like Jerry Cans... At least they are resrictive by their flow rate.
Anyone who recalls any Spa 24hr event will tell you that the pit lane their has rivers of fuel running down the gulley.
I've contacted the MSA to get involved in the consultation and have a meeting with Ian Watson on Saturday and will see if Barc can also progress on our behalf.
My understanding is that championshp speciffic regulations can override MSA blue book regs, so if the jerry can is carefull written into our championship regs for next year, and this is approved by the MSA, then this would override the blue book... however, this is only my personal understanding of the situation not an official clarification.
Philip
"Anglo American Tuff Jugs" might be worth a look at?
Hi Trevor - Demon Tweeks do them at £43.00 each although you can buy them direct boxes of six from Anglo American 20ltrs of fuel in 75 seconds
Yeah, saw them on Anglo Oils site and thought they might assist if the MSA change the regs as they are planning too. A lot cheaper than dry-break stuff!
lien has one
I think they might ;D
Hi Simon.
If you were to buy a box of 6, the price would be £35.70 per can, with a freight charge of £9.00 for all six.
Both figures plus vat.
Currently, we have these in white ( opaque) or orange, with the Ripper neck fitting, which has a 35mm diameter.
In a couple of weeks we will have red and blue cans back in stock.
Please get in touch if you would like to go ahead.
Regards
Shaun
Shaun Williams
Anglo American Oil Company Ltd.
Direct tel .+44 (0) 1929 555973
Fax +44 (0) 1929 551567
Where is the advantage in these.? Don't most fuel spills occur because of overbrimming of the tank. Would these prevent that?
I have purchased one of these fuel cans and am currently in disscussion with the MSA as to what they are actually trying to achieve and how we can help with that without having to spend a fortune on the cars.
They are being quite positive as to us not needing to fit a full FIA "dry" break system but equally I'll be surprised if we are still allowed to use the jerry can, time will tell.
The advantage of these is that they comply with the proposed changes to the Blue Book for 2011 and are considerably cheaper than a full dry-break set-up
it actually depends on the wording as to whether they are fully compliant, the devil is in the detail.
Funny, that.......
;DOr is it? And another thing. But not both!
if we get to use the Tuff Jug, does that mean we would take it to the pump to fill or would we still use the jerry can then fill the jug?
Don't worry about the detail, it won't be until 2011 that we may use it.
However, its unlikely that decanting petrol in the pits is acceptable.
So jerry cans are OK for this year are they?
Yes, exactly the same as previous years.
For interest, there's an "Alternative 6 hour" race, the week before the 24hr, and also held at Snetterton. Their notes on refuelling suggest that jerry cans are prohibited. I'm guessing this is specific regs for their series though.
More about that here: http://www.360motor-racing-club.com/IMPORTANT-UPDATE-RE-Refueling.html
Sorry for the added confusion!
I note that they have a maximum grid of 47 cars. It will be interesting to see how many they actually get.