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Classic 2CV Racing Club Ltd Forum => Races (not 24 hr) => Topic started by: Nick Roads on November 16, 2012, 12:32:55

Title: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Nick Roads on November 16, 2012, 12:32:55
Board been busy discussing various options with BARC and also Hay Fisher/ Motors TV live races.
I have posted on the 24 Hour thread details of the 24 Hour race which is expected to be 24-26 August at Snetterton.

2012 was a successful season with higher numbers than in recent years. The Club is proposing to give a reduced price in 2013 for those who raced in 2012 to reflect this.

Sprints 2013 (Draft)

Sprint Championship Races:

2 x 20 Minute Races per meeting:

April 6            Oulton Park
April 27-28      Croft
June 8-9         Silverstone
July 27-28       Brands Hatch

Note: there is an alternative proposal to run the April 6 meeting at Donnigton as a Championship round (2 x 20 minute races) with one race to be broadcast live on Motors TV. We would welcome some comment on this option and which location members would prefer as it may be a little more expensive to the club than running at Oulton.

Prices:

a) Pay in advance by1 March 2013 for all 4 race meetings £ 1200 (a discount of £ 240 to entering all the races individually)
b) 2012 Success Bonus – a Special bonus of a £ 50 discount per race meeting may be claimed for the car/ owner in 2012 claimed alongside the Pay in Advance Option = a maximum £200 discount
entry becomes £ 1000 for the whole season (£ 250 per race meeting) for those complying with a and b above.

c) one off races charged at  £ 360. All 4 on this basis = £ 1440
d) for one off race entries a 2012 Success Bonus discount of £ 50 may be claimed against a race meeting entered in 2012. This will not be available for the Donnington Meeting if that option is chosen (its more expensive for the Club).

Further Bonus:
For every Sprint Championship Race Entered in 2013 then a £ 50 discount can be claimed against the final entry price (which will be payable August 1 2013) for the same car in the 2013 24 Hour Race.

Non Championship Race

Motors TV are offering a slot again for the club on their May Bank Holiday Live TV show. This has had some very close and exciting racing in the last 3 years. Due to the TV pressure it cannot be in the same format as for the Sprint series.
So the Club has agreed with the promoters to add a Non Championship Round on May 27. This will be either 2 x 10 Minute races or a 30 Minute 2 driver race. We would welcome comment as to which format members would prefer.

The price for the race will be £ 330 per car and this price allows for 2 drivers.
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Martin Harrold on November 19, 2012, 21:51:12
Nick:

Thanks for issuing the draft schedule in good time.

I think that Mallory is a much better venue for the Motors TV Live race than Donington, short sharp and lots of action. We'd enter two cars at Mallory, in whichever format is agreed.

I may be being thick, but I don't see why it was a Championship round this year and and can't be in 2013. Yes, some people aren't too keen on the shorter race, but a very good field was tempted to enter and race hard, possiby by the thought of getting famous on the telly.

Martin

Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Nick Roads on November 20, 2012, 08:27:54
Martin

The aim for the year is to have 4 x race Sprint meetings + the 24 Hour. Each Sprint meeting to have 2 x 20 minute races and separate qualifying of at least 15 minutes each. To further deliver this for members and racers who support all the Sprint races for around £ 1000 for a year and to allow 2 drivers for each car for a weekend if required.

Donnington could be a Championship round as an alternative to Oulton on April 6. While it is more expensive as a race meeting the organisers of the Motors TV events at Donnington have managed to keep the format correct so it can be within the Championship. The Club further can absorb some of the potential extra costs so that we can still offer great value for money for those doing the whole season if the members would prefer to race at Donnington to Oulton and have one race on the TV and eventually youtube etc. Club benefits in that we have some high quality footage we can use.

Mallory is non championship as (a) it is not (and HF say cannot be) in the right format of 2 x 20 minutes (b) its considerably more expensive than a BARC normal meeting and (c) we already had 4 rounds available. We are proposing to offer it as an extra event however for the prices and on the date in the original post.
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Frank Barnard on November 27, 2012, 18:41:10
Nick, when you say £360 a race does this cover the two races at Silverstone and Brands, i.e the meeting as a whole, or does each race cost that?
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Mick Storey on November 27, 2012, 21:44:00
Personally, I would like to go to Donnington as we havent raced there for ages
For the telly at Mallory I cant see them accepting anything other than the 10 minute format. With most audiences having the attention span of a goldfish (is 8 minutes the norm?) then 30 minutes of 2Cv racing even with a driver change where the changing driver has to eat camel dung is going to look relatively boring. Every time weve been on the telly its been a good race and got some attention, shouldnt we keep the same format?
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Nick Roads on November 27, 2012, 23:20:49
Frank

Its £ 360 per Championship race meeting eg 2 x 15 minute qualifying and then 2 x 20 minute races for any Championship meeting. So 2 drivers can do different races at, say, Silverstone meeting and split the cost so £ 180 per race.
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Matthew Hollis on November 28, 2012, 12:49:45
I would also prefer Donington over Oulton, as it makes a nice change! Plus, it's another chance to appear on the TV, which is good for the club.

For Mallory, it has to be the 10 minute sprints, 30 minutes around there will seem very boring to the TV viewers, like Mick says.  Shame it can't be a championship round, though I do always feel a little short changed paying the same price as all the other rounds but only getting half the running, so non-championship is fine I think.
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: gadget on November 30, 2012, 19:01:50
i'm afraid i disagree with those who think the mallory event will only be interesting for viewers if it is 2 ten minute sprints.
what could be more compulsive viewing than cars steaming into the pit lane,drivers being hauled out,someone else trying to get in in double quick time,cameras showing people fumbling about with belts etc and cars screaming out of the pits.they will then be glued to the tv to find out who is then in the lead after all the maymeh of the driver change section.i think it would make brilliant viewing,especially if the cameras see sammie get out and paul threading himself in,or mr burns get out and his daughter get in.
even better would be pole position peter rundle coming in and then not letting his father get in,they'd have a big argument in the pit lane ,peter would get out and stamp his feet,argue that lien should get in all while merv is drawing up the legal documents for not getting his drive. oh and then not lets forget a bit of car smashing up, we've got to organise that. it always goes down well with the viewing public.oh actually, i think that even though i'm not anything to do with the organising,i should be able to sort that one out.
TGR has some more than capable drivers based on our chequered history at this event.i have even not booked in anything in the workshop the following 2 weeks, just in case.
i also like the idea of doing donnington as well,even if it's just to get phil out of his comfort zone!
well done to all involved in sorting the meetings for next year. if we get brands as well it bodes well for an interesting line up of circuits
and a good years racing.keep up the good work.
merry christmas to one and all,see you on the grid next year.
Gadget
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Lien93 on December 01, 2012, 19:48:31
I think you missed your vocation pal. You should have been a script writer!
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Simon Crook on December 02, 2012, 08:49:07
 :D
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Pete Sparrow on December 02, 2012, 20:10:13
I'm not sure he wrote that. No swearing.
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Alec Graham on December 03, 2012, 11:37:06
Personally i prefer this:
April 6            Oulton Park
April 27-28      Croft
June 8-9         Silverstone
July 27-28       Brands Hatch

with a non championship round at mallory.
but then you can't please everybody.
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: philip myatt on December 06, 2012, 16:34:44
maybe you can.
Finalised calander to be posted very soon
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: philip myatt on December 08, 2012, 10:45:54
The dates are now confirmed as

Sprint Championship Races:

2 x 20 Minute Races per meeting:

April 6            Oulton Park
April 27-28      Croft
June 8-9         Silverstone
July 27-28       Brands Hatch


Prices:

a) Pay in advance by1 March 2013 for all 4 race meetings £ 1200 (a discount of £ 240 to entering all the races individually)
b) 2012 Success Bonus – a Special bonus of a £ 50 discount per race meeting may be claimed for the car/ owner in 2012 claimed alongside the Pay in Advance Option = a maximum £200 discount
entry becomes £ 1000 for the whole season (£ 250 per race meeting) for those complying with a and b above.

c) one off races charged at  £ 360. All 4 on this basis = £ 1440
d) for one off race entries a 2012 Success Bonus discount of £ 50 may be claimed against a race meeting entered in 2012. This will not be available for the Donnington Meeting if that option is chosen (its more expensive for the Club).

Further Bonus:
For every Sprint Championship Race Entered in 2013 then a £ 50 discount can be claimed against the final entry price (which will be payable August 1 2013) for the same car in the 2013 24 Hour Race.

Non Championship Race

Motors TV Non Championship Round on May 27. This will be a 30 Minute 2 driver race.

The price for the race will be £ 330 per car and this price allows for 2 drivers.

Entry and membership forms will be sent out early in 2013, if not sooner.

Philip
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Suzanne P on January 03, 2013, 17:27:30
Excuse my stupidity but where will the non-Championship race on 27 May 2013 be held?  Mallory Park?  Please could you clarify this?

Thanks.
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Simon Crook on January 04, 2013, 12:39:20
Hi Suzanne yep Mallory 27th May  ;D
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: hemi442 on January 30, 2013, 12:43:19
I read above from Phil that the dates are confirmed, but MSV's calendar does not include the Brands date, and this club's website homepage still states that the calendar is provisional.  I'm trying to book a family holiday around the racing calendar, so I'm not complaining about the 'discrepancy', just trying to find out where we are, and, if it IS still provisional, does anybody have a feeling for when it will be confirmed?  Thanks.
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Trevor Williams on January 30, 2013, 16:00:03
There is a two day meet at Brands Hatch on the BARC availability calender on 29th June and 30th June 2013.
Nothing will be confirmed until the regulations are published. Unhelpful, but thats what happens when your events are at the lower end of the pecking order...F1, WEC, WTC, BTCC.....
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Nick Roads on January 30, 2013, 18:24:22
As Trevor says it is not 100% but it is 99.9% certain to be at Brands on that weekend.

For those watching the forum the April 6 meeting may be at Donnington after all as part of a Motors TV 2 x 20 minute live event with 30 minute qualifying. BARC have asked if we can change from Oulton. Hope to have finalised the details at AGM on Sunday as to whether it will be Donnington or Oulton. It will go out on email if there is a change.
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Trevor Williams on February 01, 2013, 14:54:50
The Regulations have been published on the BARC website, and the main change is as Nick said elsewhere, you are starting at Donington rather than Oulton.
There is no mention of the Mallory date in the regs, and the 24 Hours is listed as 30th August to 1st September
Hope everyone has a fabulous seasons racing, you may see me at Silverstone, and possibly Mallory if you are still on the card for that TV event. (Might even get up to Donington also....)
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Trevor Williams on February 01, 2013, 14:57:08
Ooo!! Your part of the Grid Place Penalty Trial..... Mwahhahahahaha!!!!
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Nick Roads on February 01, 2013, 15:14:03
Trevor - why not bring your car up to Donnington and race again !

ps Mallory is a non championship round and this is why it is not in the Regs. Its definitely on.
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Trevor Williams on February 02, 2013, 10:17:02
Nick,
No licence, and I might volunteer as one of the officials, not yet decided on that one. I have volunteerd for the \mallory date so should see you there!!
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Matthew Hollis on February 03, 2013, 11:37:19
Quote from: Trevor Williams on February 01, 2013, 14:57:08
Ooo!! Your part of the Grid Place Penalty Trial..... Mwahhahahahaha!!!!

Shame a 10 place grid penalty won't make much difference in 2cv racing!  ;)
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Trevor Williams on February 04, 2013, 09:14:00
But it might make the driver market for the 24 hour race interesting......
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Alec Graham on February 05, 2013, 15:35:35
I'm not seeing it either Matthew but i usually qualify near the back anyway.. And this is for contraveining the sporting regs, not the technical regs. right?
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Trevor Williams on February 06, 2013, 13:28:28
Alec,
It is an MSA trial, and is just to give the organisers another penalty option for breaches of the regulations (Blue Book and Championship Regs)
Any Technical infringement is dealt with by either disallowing all qualifying times (obviously in qualifying) and being allowed to start at the back with a time penalty providing the breach of the regs is rectified, or exclusion and the resulting penalty points and championship points deduction for infringements found in post race scrutineering.
Where it may become interesting is if a driver gets a grid place penalty imposed on them during the last sprint race of the championship, and is then in a different car / team for th enext round (the 24 hour race), does that penalty apply to the driver, the car, the team etc? Could result in innocent parties being unfairly penalised for something that they didnt do. It could also put a car / team in greater danger of being involved in an incident during the first few laps / moments due to having a lower starting position that they qualified....
There is a can of worms that the MSA haven't actually thought about with regards to endurance races....
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Simon Crook on February 06, 2013, 14:50:56
Now it makes sense
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Alec Graham on February 07, 2013, 11:46:07
Some good points there Trevor.
Time penalties would be much more difficult to haul back than grid slots.. so far as the spints are concerned. as for the 24 hour perhaps not so..
whoever brings a penalty to the team in the 24hours buys the beers right? what if all four drivers bring a penalty...
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Trevor Williams on February 07, 2013, 15:31:04
Without going into too much detail as to how particular penalties are decided upon, the imposition of a time penalty affects the race where the infringement occurred i.e if you caused an incident and finished ahead of the aggrieved party, a time penalty could rectify the advantage that was gained - instant justice, subject of course to appeals. The grid penalty would become useful to the organisers if the transgressor failed to finish the race and the imposition of a time penalty would be pointless.....
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Derek Coghill on February 07, 2013, 18:58:35
Trevor, the only thing I was wondering is how they're going to manage to put the whole field at the back of the grid?
Title: Re: 2013 Race Calendar and Prices
Post by: Trevor Williams on February 07, 2013, 19:20:31
Derek
No idea!! And thankfilly not my problem where you lot are concerned!! lol