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Title: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: Nick Roads on January 09, 2014, 20:50:28
For 2014 the 24 Hour race is to move to Anglesey.

As discussed at the AGM the 24 Hour Race is moving after 10 great years at Snetterton

Details as to the entry forms and some more background and entry forms are available on the main site http://www.2cvracing.org.uk/joinus (http://www.2cvracing.org.uk/joinus)

I will send out an email in the next couple of weeks with some more information but highlights are:

Increased testing on Friday , minimum 4 hours
Race start will be early afternoon on the Saturday to allow teams to finish at a reasonable time on Sunday
Prices are very similar to the last few years
Mini Grand's are returning
1 million worth of new pits and garages opened at the end of 2013 in preparation for our arrival..http://www.itv.com/news/wales/story/2013-09-09/anglesey-circuits-new-pit-complex/ (http://www.itv.com/news/wales/story/2013-09-09/anglesey-circuits-new-pit-complex/)
A shared event with 2CVGB who will be holding their National Meeting over the same weekend
Expected opportunities for road going 2CV's to have some parade laps on Saturday morning

It is sad to move from Snetterton. They have provided a great facility and warm welcome in the last decade. The change this year allows us however to keep costs similar for the teams and to have a tie-in with 2CVGB and a wider audience for the race.


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: Derek Coghill on January 12, 2014, 00:34:33
You couldn't wish for a better circuit, though.


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: Paul on January 12, 2014, 12:05:21
At the agm we were told that the 24hr moving to Anglesey would make it cheaper and the 2hr at pembrey might be free or something like 100/150. It now would appear the 24hr is dearer and the 2hr at pembrey has trebled if not quadrupled from the original estimate,
 Then there is the matter of subsidies/discounts if the club wants to encourage more cars on the grid it should encourage them in both classes not discriminate against one in favour of another.
 We are supposed to be a low cost formula, is  820.00 for one weekend's entries really low cost? Would the club have done better by subsidizing this meeting rather than an upto now under subscribed/unpopular class.


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: gadget on January 12, 2014, 15:00:41
hi paul,
yes I have to agree that at the AGM all the talk was of this season being similar cost to last year and the 24hrs being cheaper at angelsey than at snetterton. I thought that was the main reason for the change in venue.
having looked today I can't see anything about this years costs on the forum. where is it that is going to cost 820 as that does seem an expensive weekend.
Gadget


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: Paul on January 12, 2014, 17:12:12
You have to follow the link in nicks post Wayne. Its obviously too embarrassing to post the costs on here. 370 + 450 for a weekend at pembrey if you can't find 1450 in 6 weeks.


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: Nick Roads on January 12, 2014, 19:10:58
Wayne

I used the link as we want to keep all the entry forms in one point and not on various forum threads. Its the official part of the website for entry prices and details.

I am only really involved with 24 Hour but did see some of the information regarding Sprint pricing. A lot of time and effort from the Board in trying to get the right balance.

Paul is right that its 1450 for a full season this year for the regular teams who enter in advance of first race being
4 x race weekends of:
8 x 20 minute races
1 x 2 hour race

Last year if you did all 5 race weekends (Gadget and the  majority of teams did all 5) then it was over 1500 for the season of Sprints
5 x race weekends of:
8 x 20 minute races
2 x 10 minute races

So less travel and more time on track and lower cost for racing for the vast majority of regulars.

Paul is right that those who do not race the whole championship this year may end up paying more but so be it. Pembrey in per racing hour for those who want to try an endurance is cheaper than the other race weekends ( 370 for 40 minutes). BARC and circuits try to charge by the hour. 

Snetterton via BARC were asking for a 5 figure price rise I was told in 2014. Anglesey is a little more expensive than Snet 2013 but cheaper than Snet 2014. 

24 Hour teams do however get more track time (much longer testing) and we can start the race early pm to suit the teams and let crews get home etc which was a major moan from Snetterton last year and was a reason given by some teams who did not come in 2013 at all.

I was not at AGM but the decision to support Economy Class was agreed at the previous Board Meeting and was clearly an effort to try and support low cost racing.


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: naughtybear on January 12, 2014, 20:10:18
I have to agree with Paul that figures have gone up quite considerably from the talk of pembrey endurance being free


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: naughtybear on January 12, 2014, 20:13:47
p.s. to last post - can anyone confirm or deny if the 2hr pembrey is part of the championship as in counting towards the points?


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: Paul on January 12, 2014, 22:41:38
According to the front page yes. Although that says it costs 2000 to build an economy class car and last week it was 1000, so better to check the regulations. LOL


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: Paul on January 13, 2014, 12:44:33
Wayne

I used the link as we want to keep all the entry forms in one point and not on various forum threads. Its the official part of the website for entry prices and details.

I am only really involved with 24 Hour but did see some of the information regarding Sprint pricing. A lot of time and effort from the Board in trying to get the right balance.

Paul is right that its 1450 for a full season this year for the regular teams who enter in advance of first race being
4 x race weekends of:
8 x 20 minute races
1 x 2 hour race

Last year if you did all 5 race weekends (Gadget and the  majority of teams did all 5) then it was over 1500 for the season of Sprints
5 x race weekends of:
8 x 20 minute races
2 x 10 minute races

So less travel and more time on track and lower cost for racing for the vast majority of regulars.

Paul is right that those who do not race the whole championship this year may end up paying more but so be it. Pembrey in per racing hour for those who want to try an endurance is cheaper than the other race weekends ( 370 for 40 minutes). BARC and circuits try to charge by the hour.  

Snetterton via BARC were asking for a 5 figure price rise I was told in 2014. Anglesey is a little more expensive than Snet 2013 but cheaper than Snet 2014.  

24 Hour teams do however get more track time (much longer testing) and we can start the race early pm to suit the teams and let crews get home etc which was a major moan from Snetterton last year and was a reason given by some teams who did not come in 2013 at all.

I was not at AGM but the decision to support Economy Class was agreed at the previous Board Meeting and was clearly an effort to try and support low cost racing.
Nick,last year if you had competed in the previous season you had a discount on the club class championship of 50 per meeting ,this made the cost 1050 now it is 1450 my mathematics says this means everyone will end up paying more unlesss you are in economy class.
 Oh and we didn't do 10 minute races included in the price that was the previous year as that was the meeting i resigned as chairman at.


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: abfitness2cv on January 13, 2014, 16:18:57
Is there anything standing in the way of current club class car (running on Avo's or Gaz shocks) having it's race engine removed, replaced with a standard engine and therefore being eligible for Economy class? If so, this is very tempting given the cost of race engines and the discount for Economy entries.


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: Paul on January 13, 2014, 16:56:43
No,you would have to change the exhaust as well.


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: Nick Roads on January 13, 2014, 18:50:57
Paul - Mallory was the 5th race at 330 in 2013 which most teams did. So you need to add that to your figures. Also the average that teams paid to do all the races was around 1450 in 2013 as not everyone got the discounts so I feel it is more racing hours, less travel time for the same amount for the average team.

Might pay to start a new thread under  Races (not 24 Hours) on this is not that relevant to 24 Hour?





Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: naughtybear on January 13, 2014, 23:22:03
quote "Paul is right that those who do not race the whole championship this year may end up paying more but so be it" from Nick Roads

I don't think that a "so be it" is the correct attitude when looking to recruit new cars, teams and drivers.


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: Paul on January 13, 2014, 23:25:56
Ah,but you didn't Have to do Mallory as it was non championship,however the pembrey 2hr is ,so therefore in terms of the championship an expensive addition.
 I noticed this thread as the only easy way to find the costs for the forthcoming season,and we were promised at the agm that this year's 24hr would be cheaper, not better value for money ,
but cheaper. It quite clearly is not.
I have to say I feel the information given at the agm was misleading at best and had we been presented with the correct prices the 2hr race may not have been so readily accepted.


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: naughtybear on January 13, 2014, 23:28:37
Ah,but you didn't Have to do Mallory as it was non championship,however the pembrey 2hr is ,so therefore in terms of the championship an expensive addition.
 I noticed this thread as the only easy way to find the costs for the forthcoming season,and we were promised at the agm that this year's 24hr would be cheaper, not better value for money ,
but cheaper. It quite clearly is not.
I have to say I feel the information given at the agm was misleading at best and had we been presented with the correct prices the 2hr race may not have been so readily accepted.

I strongly agree!


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: naughtybear on January 13, 2014, 23:36:15
what is really getting me is we know have to do the pembrey 2hr endurance if  we want to really take part in the full championship -  but surely when we agreed to have it as a championship round we or certainly I wasn't expecting it to be approx. 400 so one of the discussed points has drastically changed ........... could we possibly make the 2hr pembrey endurance like the Mallory park round from last year and take it out of the equation for points and adjust full season entry fees accordingly for both class of cars?


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: Frank Barnard on January 14, 2014, 22:21:14
Paul - Mallory was the 5th race at 330 in 2013 which most teams did. So you need to add that to your figures. Also the average that teams paid to do all the races was around 1450 in 2013 as not everyone got the discounts so I feel it is more racing hours, less travel time for the same amount for the average team.

Might pay to start a new thread under  Races (not 24 Hours) on this is not that relevant to 24 Hour?




Can we stop harping on about less travel time?


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: Paul on January 15, 2014, 17:46:10
Wayne


I was not at AGM but the decision to support Economy Class was agreed at the previous Board Meeting and was clearly an effort to try and support low cost racing.

Nick,can you tell us which board meeting this was at? I have asked sammie about it and the only thing she has minuted from the last board meeting she attended is that Richard Hollis brought up the possibility of a discount but no conclusion or action is minuted.


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: Nick Roads on January 15, 2014, 20:14:22
Paul,  will email / ring tomorrow.


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: edmcd on January 21, 2014, 15:30:49
I did the 24 Hour races at Mondello in 95,96 and 97, and would like to do your Pembrey race, so any conatcts from a team looking for an experienced driver, please contact me. As before, will be planning to make this an extended piece for my journalist outlets in UK and abroad.
Thanks
Ed McDonough  edmcd@btopenworld.com


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: gadget on January 22, 2014, 12:07:52
with all the recent talk about the cost of this forthcoming season, i would like to put forward a proposal for the Board to consider.

As this is the Silver aniversary of the club,and as the club has in exess of 50,000 in the bank, would it not be a good idea that the club fund the cost of the 2 hour race at Pembrey. in years gone bye the board and members of the club agreed that it would always keep a "fighting fund" of 5,000 just in case. we now seem to have 10 times that. to do what with???
It was discussed and implied  at the AGM that the cost of the 24 Hr would be less,as it was also said that the cost of a 2 hour race at Pembrey would be zero or maybe 100 or so.

would this not be an ideal time for the board to make a decision and say, make the 2 hour free?

what would it cost the club??? How much is this race costing the club?  it would be a nice jesture to the members and encourage more people to go to Pembrey. at the end of the day it is the members moneythat we are talking about here.
we could make it a 25th aniversary race and get some nice trophies.it would also perhaps encourage some of the once a year 24 hr teams to come out for another event and experience some sprint racing.
i am sure the club could afford to fund this as i've said and to be honest what are we keeping all this money for?,if not to go racing.
come on Board,do the right thing here and stand by what was said at the AGM.

Gadget






Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: Frank Barnard on January 22, 2014, 12:27:34
with all the recent talk about the cost of this forthcoming season, i would like to put forward a proposal for the Board to consider.

As this is the Silver aniversary of the club,and as the club has in exess of 50,000 in the bank, would it not be a good idea that the club fund the cost of the 2 hour race at Pembrey. in years gone bye the board and members of the club agreed that it would always keep a "fighting fund" of 5,000 just in case. we now seem to have 10 times that. to do what with???
It was discussed and implied  at the AGM that the cost of the 24 Hr would be less,as it was also said that the cost of a 2 hour race at Pembrey would be zero or maybe 100 or so.

would this not be an ideal time for the board to make a decision and say, make the 2 hour free?

what would it cost the club??? How much is this race costing the club?  it would be a nice jesture to the members and encourage more people to go to Pembrey. at the end of the day it is the members moneythat we are talking about here.
we could make it a 25th aniversary race and get some nice trophies.it would also perhaps encourage some of the once a year 24 hr teams to come out for another event and experience some sprint racing.
i am sure the club could afford to fund this as i've said and to be honest what are we keeping all this money for?,if not to go racing.
come on Board,do the right thing here and stand by what was said at the AGM.

Gadget





Now there's a damned good idea...


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: Lien93 on January 22, 2014, 13:29:56
Great idea


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: Paul on January 22, 2014, 13:32:24
It gets my vote too wayne,great idea.


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: naughtybear on January 22, 2014, 21:05:34

Super suggestions from Wayne


Title: Re: 2014 24 Hour Race August 29-31 - Anglesey as venue confirmed and entry details
Post by: Caryl Wills on February 01, 2014, 17:04:11
This is an excellent idea. The significant funds accumulated by the club are as a result of members membership fees and members race entry fees. On the basis this is a racing club what better use to put those funds to - racing. I believe this would attract a few 24 hr cars we don't normally see at sprint meetings and may encourage a better turn out at Anglesey too.