All,
I received this in an email from John Leck today :-
Still only 10 entries for 2CVs thought it was more but 2 or 3 where just second drivers!
Getting a bit worried re 2 1 hour races with 10 cars!
If you haven't already sent an entry in, and are considering doing so, please do so ASAP
Cheers
Trevor
No surprise there then trev.
What do you think they will do?Cancel one of the races? i suppose now they are both part of the championship they can't.
Won't we be popular.
Paul
I am expecting contact with John Leck tonight. Don't know what they will do, though 4 grand is 4 grand in anyones money. If they can afford to lose that, fine. They have the right to cancel an event if it doesnt reach the minimum numbers, which are 15 according to the entry form
I wouldnt think they would be too poular with Dale know that he has gone to the MSA to get our regs altered!!!
Its not our fault, if they had done what we wanted rather than listening to others we wouldnt be in this position!
Did you get my earlier email? If so Imsurprised you havent wanted more info!!!!
Cheers
Trevor
All
Further to my post above, I have spoken to BARC NW this evening and this is the situation as it it stands now:-
We have 8 confirmed entries for our races at Anglesey
Unless we have a further 7 entries in the next few days, the chances are that the races will be cancelled.
In my opinion, if the races are cancelled, the chances of us going to anglesey in the future are VERY slim
The format of the events is what was voted in at the agm. If you don't support the events you will all be looking at 565kg of scrap metal in your garages in the very near future. If you dont come out to play, then we only have ouselves to blame when the club folds
Trevor
That would be a shame; I'm quite looking forward to a 300 mile trip rather than the previous rounds' 400+......
Iwas looking forward to 2 new circuits .How often does that happen ?
Well, yes, there's that too; actually, I'm just looking forward to going racing.
What p*ss*s me off the most are the vast majority that just use the club for the 24hr race, i know that life & its to be expected but around 140 drivers & 35 cars contested the 24hrs & were struggling to get 10 for next weekend.
So what is the list of cars that are actually going to anglesey?
I know many of the drivers at the 24hr are hire drivers. Our car has been sitting there ready for hiring and not had one call about it!
Does anyone know whats happened to Cathrine? Does she need someone to take over the Hire list if she is too busy? If so i am happy to do so.
I fear the concerns raised at the AGM over endurance races being a larger chunck of money to shell out in one pay day are coming to light. It was said at the time that enduro format and more importantly, laps per pound, were considered more important than actual entry fees being a large sum of money in one lump.
The grave potential for doubling up of regular members and reduced grids was also noted at the AGM by the small number of people who could be arsed to attend (at least 10% of which were non racing full members).
This problem of reduced grids does not just affect the drivers. There is a whole social network built around the race calendar, from MWAGS, (Mechanics, wifes and girlfriends) to spectators and GB club members. This will also be lost. Just think, no more barby piss ups, outside Trev's camper. No more innuendo, and Christian will never have the chance to get his kit off again if he wins. Poor old Steve will never get married, and I'll have to sell the camper because it'll be surplus to requirements.
Are we already in decline? Of course. Will we get the 24hr again? not if grids continue as this. Do you want to lose the club? I don't.
Ive never been able to afford to race, but ive never made any promises to get on track. Of course I'll always be at circuits, spanners in hand, with help for anyone thats in a pickle, and i think i can say the same for most of the mechanics that attend week in week out.
Oh well, looks like we'll all have some fast road 2CV's anyway. Maybe some of them might get entered in Mod-Con at registers day. (2CVGB Reference).
If you want to continue to race it, Belguim is a long way away and twice the cost of racing in the UK.
To make them compatible with another championship will be very difficult. So think about the full consequences of any decision. lack of support means no more racing. Then try and sell your race car.
As a suggestion to help remedy this (see i trying not to be negative and provide ideas as well as complaint), maybe we could organise a few cars to be at a track day and run a "come and have a go" event. If the club has money in the bank, spend it on something such as this. It's no good not spending it. Although i think it will be profitable for the paid up full members when the club is dissolved.
Isn't talk of folding the club a little premature? Admittedly theres a sad turnout for Anglesey but theres another 3 rounds after that! The enduro format got voted in, by members, so we're stuck with it for the remainder of this season. It may not be popular, but if we all make the effort to turn out & race, then go to the AGM we stand a chance of having a championship in a different format next season, as opposed to being bloody miserable & stuck at home because the clubs gone under. :cry:
We need to be careful about haranging members for not supporting without understanding why. This is not Sunday football where playesr don't pitch because of a bad hangover. If someone has a car and pitchs occasionally, they are making a very significant committment.
So if someone has made all of that effort, and the car is drivable, they have a very good reason for not coming. They are not at home watching the telly. And this reason will not always be cost. Considering how many times my car blows up, the entries fees are a drop in the ocean.
As a club we have been consistently appalling at understanding who we are, why we pitch and why we don't. Until we understand this we won't be able to stop the low turn-outs.
And before you ask , we won't be there. The car is in bits but it can limp, more importantly I have to be in Durham on Fri/Sat and the others are all abroad.
Ben
I agree helen ,it does seem a lot premature but you have to look at the position that we are in at the moment.
We had a good turnout for brands ,not as good as we were led to beleive it would be, but still a good turnout.
Followed by the wettest 24hr we have ever had ,which destroyed some souls and also damaged quite a few cars.
To then have a trek to the end of the world ,as a lot appear to see it ,would seem to be a step too far for many.They say they will be at silverstone .Will they? Will the Barc want to give us another £10,000 worth of tracktime on the offchance that the silent/missing majority might turn up .I bloody well wouldn't, especially if we can't even make minimum numbers at anglesey.
So you turn your attention to next season when we haven't had enough entries to acheive championship status .Who will provide races for us then? Where might the 24hr be held? ( snetterton has become so expensive in the past two years) Would we have to pay up front to secure this ? What organising club has the officials trained to run a 24hr race if we lose the support of the barc and how much would they want to run it ? a lot more than the barc have ever had from us and a guaranteed sum i'm sure.
In my opinion we should go to anglesey and use the clubs funds to pay the shortfall up to the minimum entry level .We are after all a racing club and not a savings scheme ,and those who don't turn up won't get the benefit.That way silvertsone should stay on the calender as well and we may still have a club to be part of next year.
Rant over
Paul
Quote from: "helen deeley"Isn't talk of folding the club a little premature? Admittedly theres a sad turnout for Anglesey but theres another 3 rounds after that! The enduro format got voted in, by members, so we're stuck with it for the remainder of this season. It may not be popular, but if we all make the effort to turn out & race, then go to the AGM we stand a chance of having a championship in a different format next season, as opposed to being bloody miserable & stuck at home because the clubs gone under. :cry:
QuoteWhat p*ss*s me off the most are the vast majority that just use the club for the 24hr race, i know that life & its to be expected but around 140 drivers & 35 cars contested the 24hrs & were struggling to get 10 for next weekend.
We bought our 2CV with the intention of doing the 24 hour race and then encouraging a couple of novice drivers (sons of team members) to compete in some of the other rounds in our car.
All of our 24 hour race drivers have been involved in club racing for many years. We were expecting, and looking forward to, some close but clean racing but were very surprised at the degree of contact during the 24 hour (our car was hit 7 times) and the car now needs major repairs to the rear end so is out of action. Even if it was OK to race I would not recommend the series as it stands to any novice driver. It is too much like touring car racing; at times it was more like stock car racing.
Is the style of driving in the 24 hour typical of the series or were we unlucky?
Mary - I don't know the exact circumstances so can't comment directly but it sounds like you were unlucky - our car, whilst not untouched at the end of the race, didn't take that many hits.
If you look at club racing in general which consists of, say, 20 minute sprint races - the 24 hour race is the equivalent of 72 sprint races back-to-back! Now I know all contact is best avoided, but if you received some sort of contact in only one in every ten sprint races (all of which took place in such appalling weather as we had at Snett this year) would that be considered so bad?
Back on topic re the low entry for Anglesey, I think there is a case for there to be a much longer gap between the 24 hr and the next race in the timetable: people spend so much time and money preparing for the 24 hours that a break seems to be in order the repair wallets; cars; enthusiasm; family peace - whatever! A two month gap seems reasonable - I suppose we'll see if that's the case once we see the Silverstone entries.
Quote from: "Paul Robertson"In my opinion we should go to anglesey and use the clubs funds to pay the shortfall up to the minimum entry level .We are after all a racing club and not a savings scheme ,and those who don't turn up won't get the benefit.
Could we possibly use some of the club money to 'sponsor' the entry at Anglesey? Perhaps reduce the entry fee for those willing to race there, as an incentive? Might reduce the 'blow' of the large chunk of money to be paid out so soon after Snet..
Ideally, we need to find out the reasons from each member why they're *not* attending Anglesey. I imagine the reasons will boil down to some of the following:
1) Cost
2) Drivers/crew on holiday (it is June/July after all)
3) Distance to circuit (quite a few SE racers, aren't there?)
4) Damage after Snet
5) Fear of unknown circuit?
Realistically, cost is the only one we can do something about, except possible reassurane for number 5.
Matt, I have driven in 5 Willhire 24 hour races between 1980 and 1984 and in all of those our team car was touched only once by another car.
I have also driven in countless 6 hour relay races and never had any contact at all in those. It does seem a bit excessive to have that many hits in one race.
Matt
Yes a two month break after the 24 hour might be good, but then you hit the snag of:
a) Only having one race per month (AGM requirement)
b) Not racing in August cos thats when the school holidays are (AGM request)
c) Finishing the season in October (To enable AGM to happen - Club requirement and regs to be submitted in time for early November - BARC requirement)
We have given the membership what they voted for at the last two AGM's. The dates are published in February - with a draft in my hands by the end of the previous November.
Ben, to be perfectly honest I am tired of asking the membership what they want, especially when we give them what they have asked for and every year I seem to have to make more and more phone calls and emails to drum up support for various races
Chris, not to put too fine a point on it, I live in the south-east, Anglesey is at least 6 hours away from me, and I have been there every year we have raced there since I have been a member of the club. As for fear of a new track, tha is hardly a reason not to go racing is it? Every track is new in your first year
There are many reasons why people arent doing Anglesey, ranging from cost, distance to imminent arrival of first offspring. Thats life.
Subsidising the Anglesey entry may seem like a good idea, and I am considering it for the people who enter the race, especially if we hit the minimum number of fully paid entries.
However, where does it stop? Silverstone? Pembrey? Club out of money very fast = no more racing
And just for info, as of now, Silverstone = 2, Mallory = 3, Pembrey = 2
Entry so far:
Received by BARC NW
Me, Sammie, Wayne, Helen, Phil Myatt,Matt Riley, Derek, Neil Thompson, Aubrey
In the post:
Steve Panas
Five more gets us to the minimum, if that happens we will look at a level of subsidy which would make it worthwhile (in the region of 33%)
Trevor
I agree with trev (okay so theres a first for everything), distance is not an excuse, try living in the North (no jokes please), all circuits are a good hike this year.
Then there's Derek the poor sod in Scotland even further !!!!
Steve and I was going to do Anglesey enduro as a team in car No.6 (after discussion & beer in pub) so to increase the grid car No.10 will be there also and we can waltz around our own cars at driver change over.
Will sort entry tomorrow.
Addition to Chris's points.
6)Regular drivers doubling up is also an issue with enduro racing reducing the numbers of cars on the grid
An interesting (and slightly worrying) thread, I have been involved in Club Motorsport for over 30 years and I don't think the 2CV situaution is unique.
All one-make Series/Championships go through high and low points and many of the comments here echo the early days (in the 80s) of the Morgan Only Race Series when we had to cajole and persuade sufficient competitors to make a race.
However in recent years Club Motorsport has become much more businesslike with the circuits and organisers looking for more (guaranteed) income, upping entry fees, and setting mandatory minimum grid sizes or asking Series to 'buy' the grid up front and hence carry the financial risk themselves. This means low numbers now creates really uncomfortable pressure.
The 2CV Racing Club is unique in having a one-make 24 Hour Race and it is fabulously supported, it is also a big draw for many (including ourselves) and just plain exciting ! However it comes early in the season putting a huge drain on people and resources - and in one way the highlight of the season has now passed and so there is likely to be a dip in energy and turnout - the point about Anglesey being so soon is well made.
My other observation is that the way the Series is structured (one simple class) limits the likelihood of anyone other than the 'big boys' winning either an individual race or more importantly the Championship and this may deter people from turning out except when they really want to. Is it worth considering a 'standard' or novice class ? might reduce the costs a bit as well.
I hope you do - but if you don't have a sufficient hard-core of regular competitors, put crudely the Series simply cannot survive.
You have a good thing going here - don't give it up lightly and hang in there !
Andy Downes
Inworth Racing Extravaganza
my pennies worth
Mary - we had only 1 contact in 23 hours of rain this year. Year before we had 4 or 5 as novices. Possibly as it was your (drivers) first year in 2cv's combined with the rain that accounted for the number of contacts. Do not be put off, we had no contact in any of the other races at all and I do not think there were any contacts (other than with the gravel) at Brands or Stowe this year
I would agree with Helen's post and others in that if there is one bad turnout no need to panic
With that said would agree with Paul's idea of subsidising anglesey as a one off if necessary (possibly with a compromise of dropping to 1 race). As others have pointed out enduro format is what was voted for at AGM so club should be prepared to cover it to an extent - the format can then be changed next year if necessary. If you are going to subsidise it would be nice to somehow support those who do attend as well in some way.
I think the club could also get away with more money being collected from the 24 hour drivers who only attend that race each year and then use that money to subsidise the other events for regulars. I think day membership at £15 is too low in my view for that race when set against the overall cost per driver small beer. Maybe its £ 50 membership for all and you can get back some of the money if as a driver you attend more than 1 race a year (or a driver gets next years membership free if they do more than one race or some variation on that idea). Not sure of the numbers but if you get 120 odd drivers at 24 hour be surprised if 60 of them enter more than 1 race
As detailed before we are going to have to drop one race as the 2 races on different days in a weekend format is more of a problem than the distance for the middle aged with kids brigade. So will not be at angelsey but have sent off final entry today so have entered all the other races
Quote from: "Nick Roads"day membership at £15 is too low in my view for that race when set against the overall cost per driver small beer. Maybe its £50 membership for all and you can get back some if you do more than one race
Day Membership was indeed £15 per day - Sun + Mon = £30 !
Andy
ok I withdraw my comment!
Quotewe had only 1 contact in 23 hours of rain this year. Year before we had 4 or 5 as novices. Possibly as it was your (drivers) first year in 2cv's combined with the rain that accounted for the number of contacts.
Nick, I might be inclined to agree with you if the damage had been to the front of the car but all of the damage was sustained to the rear end with the front end still pristine. Also, although we were new to 2CVs we have all driven a variety of cars and are able to keep out of trouble in other events.
I felt that there was a very gung-ho attitude to driving, especially in view of the weather conditions. There was not much give and take when it came to making room on the corners, we were forced onto the grass several times.
Maybe it was not the regular 2CV drivers who were causing the problems but the track did resemble an autocross venue and was littered with debris.
QuoteI do not think there were any contacts (other than with the gravel) at Brands or Stowe this year
Maybe not but I gather that two cars rolled.
Nick
Cant drop one race cos i have just got everyone to agree to both races counting to the championship, and there is NO WAY I am going back to BARC / MSA to get the regs changed again
I refer to previous postings along the lines of "thats what was voted for......."
Mary, yes two cars rolled at Brands, one in testing, one in the race. Both on their own with no contact. Both at Paddock Hill Gravel trap. the site of a previous car rolling whilst being driven by a long-standing 2cv racer and endurance champion, wher I and others have very nearly rolled previously. The cars are dificult to drive at the best of times and it normally takes two years or so to get used to them (when we did sprint races anyway)
Trevor
General reply - my car sustained 2 contacts during the 24hr; one at the side which slightly bent the rear wing and sheared a bolt, one at the front which was so light that the spoiler didn't break (pull wings out and carry on). Distance to travel to races - the only one which has been even remotely close to me in the last 6/7(?) years was at Croft a couple of years ago - and I was in London! Haven't been to Anglesey since my first year racing - oversubscribed grid and didn't qualify. Wasn't happy.....
Work required following 24hr race - a bit of r. wing panelbeating, oil change, valve spring change, check timing and gaps.
Possibly an axle change....
Should I wash it too?
Derek
NEVER, NEVER, EVER Wash the car!
Trevor
Can I quote you next time I get a telling off for not having a shiny car?
I haven't washed my car since Thruxton 2001, when I paid for a car-wash in the auction.
Promptly went out in the race, did maybe 1 or 2 laps and the big end went bang.
Superstitious isnt just a song by Stevie Wonder!!
Cheers
Trevor
Surely if we get to the minimum number of entries then no subsidy is required?
On the issue of contact, i only hit one car during the whole 24hrs (yes it was the winning ECAS car but they were emergency stopping as a car was spinning broadside infront of them and i was in their tow!). My car has done the last 6 24hr races and prior to that had been raced on and off since 1990. It still features its original chassis, bonnet, boot, full set of original doors etc, if the racing was that bad i'd doubt these items would have survived over the last 17yrs!
On the issue of grid sizes, entry fees are the main factor keeping all 3 of the blue/orange Hollis cars in the garage. I appreciate per minute/lap the cost is cheaper than sprint racing, but if i want track time i'll go testing. We are still supporting the club by running a hire car at every round.
Finally will the AGM be brought forward so we can discuss a proposal like Steve Panas proposed last year, i remember it was roughly something like £1600 for season, 6 rounds, 3 short races per round and minimum of 16 drivers pay full costs up front. Then you wouldn't need to worry about entries for each round.
Richard.
Richard
I dont think that only having one car hired out is supporting the club
No, the AGM will not be brought forward
Trevor
On the issue of contact during 24hr.
Tete rouge 1 suffered no panel damage. Fastest car on track with a 2cv novice on board. All drivers have raced for years, one being a pro.
Tete rouge 2 Damage to rear end on two occassions. Rear wings.
Tete rouge 3 Light front wing damage that required a quick tap and off we go. Didnt even break any spot lights.
Tell me that thats not a good result considering we raced flat out, for 24hrs in the dark, wet, and through the debris, for over 1200 miles.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Mary LindsayQuote
Even if it was OK to race I would not recommend the series as it stands to any novice driver.
Im a novice driver & from what ive found so far this racing club is more than i could have hoped for, everyone is of a friendly nature & the racing is close & competitive. I think you should judge your levels of contact in more suitable conditions than what we had at snetterton, as from the post race report from brands there was only one coming together in the whole race & both cars continued & finished (one even on the podium) it was just unfortunate that your teams first race in a 2cv was the weekend god decided to go to the toilet.
May i also suggest to the club that maybe next year that we have a single one hour race after the 24hr to keep the costs down, or that we race at mallory if possible as this seems to be the cheapest track to race at from the entry fees this year?
the entry fees for this season i beleive come to £2500 for some reason ,as that isn't what we were quoted but how can we argue the cost of them with the barc when we don't have enough entries.However 2 people sharing a car that becomes £1250 per driver not £1600and for that you get 41/2 hrs racing each not 3 3/4 hrs including qualifying.You also get three chances each weekend that someone will drive into your car because he knows the race is won in the first corner.If don't want tracktime what on earth do you want to go racing for ? oh no thats right you don't want to race you just want to start and then stop again.
IKNOW WHY DONT WE SPLIT THE 24 HR INTO 120 6LAP SPRINTS THEN WE ALL GET LOTS OF STARTS FOR OUR MONEY AS THEY ARE THE ONLY BIT THATS FUN. Well there are two starts next weekend on two new circuits which won't be fun to race on and i guess you aren't doing either of them .
contact??
i think people were lucky not to be contacted!!
lucky some of you lot dont do toca or gt3 then, expensive contact there!
i thought some contact just came with close racing, but then a gain i dont prepare cars to do follow my leader! its racing not some sunday ride round the country!!!!
its simple, stop moaning, if you want to race a car in the 24hr ( may be some of you only want to bimble round) next year, enter the races this year or we may not have a wet/dry 24 hr next year!!!!!!
its not as if you lot just found out the entry needs paying now only had 5 months to plan!!!!!
preperation is not just for the car you know!!!
in the old days 3 races in europe as well asthe uk were the norm
Mary, speaking as a novice, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the club to anyone. I got hit twice when I was in the car at Snett, both fairly minor, & we took another heavier impact over the weekend. It was virtually impossible to stay on the track at times & the conditions were truly horrendous, just look at the pics. Its a close, competitive championship, which makes it exciting. If I wanted to be in a procession Id go to my local carnival. And my incident at Brands was because I got the line wrong & hit the gravel. Come out to play at another meeting before you judge it. The support I've had has been more than I could have hoped for.
And the car helen rolled in practise at brands hatch, made both qualifying, and the race at Brands, and subsequently finished 3rd at the 24hr!!
Quote from: "Geoff Archer"contact??
i think people were lucky not to be contacted!!
lucky some of you lot dont do toca or gt3 then, expensive contact there!
i thought some contact just came with close racing, but then a gain i dont prepare cars to do follow my leader! its racing not some sunday ride round the country!!!!
its simple, stop moaning, if you want to race a car in the 24hr ( may be some of you only want to bimble round) next year, enter the races this year or we may not have a wet/dry 24 hr next year!!!!!!
Geoff,
Luck doesn't come in to it - that's precisely why we don't do that kind of Series - but it's obviously good for business. You don't need contact to have good competitive racing.
It may be OK if you pay someone to maintain your car between rounds with a fully equipped workshop, but running it from home alongside a full time job - then serious damage takes time to rectify. We may have considered Anglsey but with the car out of action, no chance.
Nobody's moaning it's actually a healthy discussion about different experiences at Snetterton and general comments about driving standards. Some contact is inevitable (particularly in the conditions at Snetterton) but if it becomes the norm it may dissuade people and undermine the viability of the Championship.
Still what do I know :lol:
Andy Downes
Inworth Racing Extravaganza
Andy if you can make anglesey we can supply a crewed car for £200 so with the discounted entry that would be £585 for the weekend.
Paul
Apparently this is not available now.
I reckon there'd be a lot more contact if we went for sprint races, with the suicidal dash to the first corner, and the 2nd, and the 3rd etc etc. I like the enduros, I get lots of tracktime under racing conditions, I'm out with a bunch of cars that are all basically the same (how terrifying was testing at Brands being out with cars that were so much faster than ours) & while I appreciate that there will always be quicker 2cvs, I will always get a race with somebody & a good result is as much about the driver as the car
Dont forget that with sprints, there's nothing for the pit crew to do during the race. No driver changes, which all form part of the overall finishing position.
Also with a 10 lap sprint race, if theres a major incident which brings out the red flags 2/3rds of the way through, you may actually only get 7 laps as the result can be declared. (I dont know the exact figure)..
Bully
In National B races, which we are, the figure is 50% of race distance. This is noted on the timetable for the event which is constantly monitored in Race Control
I won't tell you that the first thing checked when a red flag is thrown is what lap it is - damn, I just did!!!
The last two meetings that I have attended, quite a lot of red flags were used, some of them contributing to shortened races for the competitors
Isnt it good to have a trainee CoC in the midst?!!!?
Trevor
So we could have 3 lap races then trev .
Start then stop .
That sounds familiar.
Quote from: "Andy Downes"Quote from: "Geoff Archer"contact??
i think people were lucky not to be contacted!!
lucky some of you lot dont do toca or gt3 then, expensive contact there!
i thought some contact just came with close racing, but then a gain i dont prepare cars to do follow my leader! its racing not some sunday ride round the country!!!!
its simple, stop moaning, if you want to race a car in the 24hr ( may be some of you only want to bimble round) next year, enter the races this year or we may not have a wet/dry 24 hr next year!!!!!!
Geoff,
Luck doesn't come in to it - that's precisely why we don't do that kind of Series - but it's obviously good for business. You don't need contact to have good competitive racing.
It may be OK if you pay someone to maintain your car between rounds with a fully equipped workshop, but running it from home alongside a full time job - then serious damage takes time to rectify. We may have considered Anglsey but with the car out of action, no chance.
Nobody's moaning it's actually a healthy discussion about different experiences at Snetterton and general comments about driving standards. Some contact is inevitable (particularly in the conditions at Snetterton) but if it becomes the norm it may dissuade people and undermine the viability of the Championship.
Still what do I know :lol:
Andy Downes
Inworth Racing Extravaganza
driving standards have improved a lot this keeps comming up every other year, we seem to alternate between the camshaft debate, then driving standards then sprint vs enduro
looking at other close racing we have as i see it a very low damage ratio, we cant judge stds on one race, luck dose have a large role to play in damage in a race like the 24 hr was, luck that we didnt get collected by a spinner,
when getting a tow rear end damage and bonnet damage will happen, drivers in a 24hr should always use there mirrors as much as the windscreen to be aware of whats behind and may be comming though!
any damage my cars have suffered is mainly when we have been at the rear of the grid!
maybe a novice cross sort of thing is needed in a long endurance to inform them of there status?
no one i know causes damage on purpose, remember that!
i cant remember any other series getting 4 cars a breast in corners, if the front runners can do it why cant others.
heres a better one, me and oli were on about this, teams of 4 people put 1600 quid behind the bar, you dont turn up with a car, we dont get wet, no damage( except for drinking injurys, and there more like trophies)
and just get w**kerd! oh and you buy a trophy, lol :lol:
Mary.
i can see why you are upset about your car and the incidents but as you pointed out you have done a lot of racing of various types over the years.
one thing that makes 2cv racing different is that its is very close, i would say that there were possibly people following too closely but this is sometimes the only way to get past, your oppotunities when racing against varied opposition would better i feel as each type of car has it's own plus's and minus's making passing or being passed easier. The other thing to say is that most of the a good lap time in a 2cv comes from the corners (and exit speed), if you were being touched at the entrance to corners it may have been that you were still finding what the car will do and others may have been expecting you to be quicker. not a critisism but just and idea.
In general there is a few novices out at the 24hr but in general i would say that given the conditions (which changed from lap to lap) i was happy with the driving standards (i think i was brilliant :roll: ). I think that most people were happy as well but i really hope that you come back and give it another go.
regards
pete
Quotei can see why you are upset about your car and the incidents
Thanks for your comments Pete. We were very upset about the damage to the car. We put a lot of effort, cash and hours of work in to prepare the car for the race and to do justice to the 2CV series. We wanted to demonstrate that we were taking it seriously and not just as a novelty. To have such a catalogue of damage to a car that we felt a great affection for was really upsetting.
I fully accept your comment about the overtaking opportunities in races where there are cars with more varied levels of performance, it is a valid point although we did think that it would a bit more friendly out on the track than it turned out to be.
Clearly from other comments on the forum, driving standards have been an issue before and maybe a reminder at the drivers' briefing before the event to exercise a little more tolerance would do the trick.
Quotei really hope that you come back and give it another go.
As I have said before it was always our intention to do more than just the 24 hour race and, time and budget permitting, we will try to get the car sorted before the end of the season. The repairs needed are pretty substantial though.
I am not one to quit at the first setback; nor do I expect to
Quotebimble round
or go for a
Quotesunday ride round the country
We are very appreciative of the help and support given to us by various members of the 2CV Racing Club, particularly Steve Panas, Trevor Williams, Christian Callander, Jon Davis, Paul Robertson and of course you Pete, and hope to meet up with you later in the season.
7 hits in 24 rainswept hrs ! you obviously werent about in the late 90,s when royce and blissy could give and take 7 hits in 24 mins! without rain!!!
Quote7 hits in 24 rainswept hrs ! you obviously werent about in the late 90,s when royce and blissy could give and take 7 hits in 24 mins! without rain!!!
Can't say I'm sorry I missed it!
I always thought motor racing was about skilful driving and incident avoidance.......... :shock:
Quote from: "simon scott"7 hits in 24 rainswept hrs ! you obviously werent about in the late 90,s when royce and blissy could give and take 7 hits in 24 mins! without rain!!!
now was it stowe last lap, ???
he had 6 hits on you before the first corner
eh the old days, zolder,croix, cocktails, over subscribed grids, ecas vs valeo, bah when i was a lad
Mary,
I've been in this for 2+ years and I echo Pete's comments: its weird driving and it takes a little time to work out how to predict how the other cars are going to move.
But the huge difference is that if you get a biff, as we did this year (both doors out, chassis and frame buggered - and my fault I have to say) there is an immediate gang of people there to help you out. Everyone will pull it out to get you going again. I'm not convinced that you can say that of any other club.
Ben
Ben, I agree with you, they are challenging to drive and that is one of the things that attracted us to 2CV racing. There is definitely an art in getting the best out of a lower powered car and I am sure that it will take quite a time to get the hang of it.
We have certainly found that there are a lot of helpful people in the club too. I am pleased to be able to tell you that the Morgan racing fraternity is also always ready to pitch in and help if you have any problems. I know that there are a great many clubs where this does not apply.
Very sorry to hear of your biff, it sounds as though you suffered more than we did. I hope you can get it sorted out.
<royce and blissy could give and take 7 hits in 24 mins>
Aye, and they were in the same team!
We had one hit over the 24hrs, and from a car sharing the same garage !!(Rod did appologise!!! lolololol ) oh, and I very nearly collected Mr Sparrow at riches sorry Pete :lol:
Quote from: "Steve Cowell"We had one hit over the 24hrs, and from a car sharing the same garage !!(Rod did appologise!!! lolololol ) oh, and I very nearly collected Mr Sparrow at riches sorry Pete :lol:
so did he have to walk back?
Anglesey Entries:
Confirmed: Me, Sammie, Phil, Helen, Aubrey, Derek, Wayne, Matt, Neil, Steve P, Andy Smith, Graham Harper.
Going to Enter: Peter Rigg, Darren Baker
That makes 14. One more and they definately cannot cancel it.
All the above will be receiving their subsidy at the track.
If you dont like the club spending your money going racing, ENTER THE BL**DY RACES!
Trevor
I for one will be carrying on with the build of my race car, and I want to get at least the last round in, ready for a full season next year! (I hope this gets soughted out I'm sure it will).
Still need a few bits if anyone's got any of the following please let me know:
Plastic light lenses
Approved Oil Catch Tank
Approved oil catch tray. That must be the track at Snetterton then
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Approved Oil Catch Tank[/quote]
2litre evian bottle does the job ,strong enough and very light.
My stuff arrived in the post today, so I assume that we're still on....
Got my stuff.
Are we still at 14 entries?
No, I think 13 at most
How many tickets did you all get?
We've only received 5, which I thought was a little low considering there's 2 drivers. Is that correct?
No, Each driver should have received 5 tickets and two paddock passes.
Howver, you cant really complain about poor service considering how CRAP out turnout is!
Trevor
how many entries are needed to justify a good service?